12/23/2008: Patty called me at 6pm on the dot. She told me she was going to put me on hold and then I would hear Kathy’s phone ring and we would all be on the line. The first part of the phone call was with Patty and Kathy and I. It lasted 38 minutes. Patty introduced us and Kathy started crying. She said I sounded like her. Kathy asked about my children and their names and spellings. She asked about my pregnancy.
Then Patty went over her 3 areas: Time Frames, Communication, and Etiquette.
- Time frame was about how we would each feel in the short and long term. For example: there are normal feelings of being overwhelmed for the adoptee that can manifest itself with anxiety and withdrawal over the first 6 months. She wanted Kathy to be aware that might happen and understand it is not uncommon, that way we can both recognize it if it happens to me.
- Communication was Patty’s advice for some guidelines to how often we should talk. She advised for the first month we don’t talk for more than an hour at a time, twice per week. She advised that we set appointments for our phone calls until we learn each others schedules and routines. She said email can be in addition to the phone calls, but don’t make them too long and wordy. She said definitely send pictures to each other as soon as possible.
- Etiquette was about 3 topics we should not talk about for the first year: politics, religion, and financial habits. She also went over what to call each other. She explained that I might not be comfortable calling Kathy “mom” right away or ever. She said some people come up with unique names for each other. She asked if Kathy was OK with me calling her “Kathy,” since that was what I expressed being comfortable calling her. She said it was fine. I’m really glad Patty went over this subject, it just really put this delicate issue out there and let us address it right away.
Overall, the entire time the 3 of us were on the phone the tone was very light-hearted and kind of jovial. Most of my nerves were settled by the end of the first part of the conversation. We also had exchanged phone numbers and email addresses. When Patty’s part was done, we all hung up and Kathy called me back.
Kathy called me right back. We ended up talking for a little over 90 minutes. It was very, very nice. We went back and forth with questions and answers, sometimes both of us started talking at the same time. She usually let me go first. Several topics were started which lead to another topic, which meant having to go back to the first topic after the second tangent was completed. But it all felt very natural. The whole time I kept thinking, “I can’t believe I am talking to her! She is a real person!”
One of the first things Kathy shared with me was that she never saw me. She didn’t think she should look at me. That was one of her biggest regrets. She also didn’t know what I was named. She said that if she had kept me she was going to name me Jessie Ann. The only name she ever saw was: Baby Girl XYZ (her last name).
I asked her about how she found my family and she confirmed the story my mother had told me. In fact, the lady I knew as Aunt Helen was actually her godmother, and she called her Aunt Helen too! I shared with her my memories of Aunt Helen’s home, including these silly penny banks she had that my brother and I loved to play with. She too remembered playing with them. I told her that Aunt Helen’s funeral was the first funeral I ever attended. She explained how Helen and her husband, Hugo, had become friends with Kathy’s parents when Hugo and her dad worked together. She also shared how Hugo disowned her father as a friend when he left her mother and her when she was a young girl. Even more interesting is that Hugo and her mother lived together as a couple the last 20 years of her mother’s life! They never got married because her mother had been married 3 times before and never wanted to get married again. However, that was an unfortunate choice because when her mother developed Alzheimer’s disease, Hugo was very limited in what he could authorize on her behalf, since Kathy lived out of state. Also an interesting aside, when her mom was put in a care home, Hugo asked Kathy if she knew any single woman who would cook, clean, and take care of him! Men! Ha, so fearful of being alone!
I asked if she had any siblings and she said she has a half brother from her mom’s side whom she stopped talking to years ago. And she also has a half sister from her dad’s side, that she knows about, but she also doesn’t have contact with her.
One of the first things she asked me is about motherhood. I thought that was interesting. I told her it wasn’t easy, but it was definitely rewarding. She told me that she had a tubal ligation in her 20s because she didn’t want to have other kids to replace me. She then said something about my dad, Chuck, having also had a vasectomy, but I either don’t remember why or she went on because I asked questions about him.
Turns out Chuck was a couple years older than her and was seeing another girl when she got pregnant with me. She said they had been high school sweethearts, and she still considers him one of the great loves of her life. They continued to date after I was born, off and on, for what sounds like several years. She said her mom liked Chuck until she got pregnant with me and then never liked him since. She said Chuck’s sister didn’t like her later on because she (the sister) felt like Kathy never really let him go during their “off again” times. She said Chuck’s dad was a cool guy who was full Pechanga Indian. His mom was fair skinned and had blue eyes. She thinks my kids’ red hair may have come from her side. She said he talked to her 8 or 9 years ago and asked if she ever contacted me. She also spoke with him before Thanksgiving and said he was very aloof with her and said something about not wanting their past to be their future. She got the message he didn’t want to talk to her. I asked if she thought he’d want to hear from me and if that should come from her or me. She said she honestly didn’t know. Later on I mentioned my issues with depression and she said that she thought Chuck was prone to it too.
I told her about my history with thyroid cancer. I told her about my moving to Colorado and back and how that has personally affected me in many ways. I talked about my education and days of teaching high school. I explained why I didn’t think I was going to go back into the classroom, but was keeping my options open. Turns out she works in the education field in Washington. She works for the University and, I think, the credentialing office, but I didn’t write that down. But she definitely understood my frustration with the teaching profession. She was very knowledgeable about it.
She told me she loves animals and used to own horses. She wanted to be a vet at one time. I told her that I also wanted to be a vet when I was a little girl. I think she really liked that. She told me about the animals she currently owns (bunnies, chickens, cats (?), and would like some goats in the near future). I told her we were dog people now, since we put Timber down last year. I told her how growing up I wasn’t allowed pets, except for my newt. She got a kick out of that.
She is very artistic. In addition to designing jewelry (something Patty liked to talk about), she writes and plays folk music and plays African Drums with a performing group. She said when she first found out my name she wrote a song about me. That made me feel a little uncomfortable because what do you say about that? I’ve never had anyone do or say that to me. She said Chuck had an excellent voice and was very good at guitar. She said she thought he had what it takes to make something of himself with it. She asked about my artistic/musical side. I told her I didn’t consider myself such, but used to be pretty decent at the clarinet in high school. I also said that my kids are very interested in music and maybe this is what I needed to hear to encourage them a little more in that area.
I asked if she thought of me on my birthday and she confessed that while yes, she thought of me, she had gotten the date wrong! Oops. She said she had thought it was March 11th, not April 11th. She doesn’t know why or when she started thinking of it wrong, but thinks that maybe I was due in March and came late and that’s why that date stuck with her. To be honest, that’s a little disappointing that she didn’t know the day I was born, however listening to her talk about some of her memories from 33 years ago sounds a lot like how I remember things. It’s hard to explain. Details get fuzzy, but emotion and intention and there. She didn’t explain it that way, but I found myself understanding that her memory probably works like mine. Also, she was 17. Hello, my memories of 17 are not very clear, to say the least. I have to also imagine that for many years she blocked a lot of stuff out, too, which isn’t going to help with the remembering.
She asked a bit about my adopting family since I shared that my mom was not happy that Kathy contacted me. She said she would never want to cause my mom pain since she values and appreciates the life and love she gave me. I told her a little bit about my mom’s worries when I was growing up that Kathy would come knock on our door to take me back. I told her that my mom always appreciated that Kathy picked them to raise me (even though, through my conversation with Kathy, it was obvious that her mother was the driving force behind my adoption. Kathy’s mother knew about my parents wanting a baby and sort of set the whole thing up. Kathy seems to remember being pretty powerless over the whole thing.) I told her that my mom was an excellent mother, regardless of the issues we have now. I shared with her that my mother’s only hope and dream was to be a good mother and that she has set the bar very high for me. It wasn’t too awkward talking about my mom with her because it seemed she was genuinely happy that I had a good childhood.
Her sense of humor seemed similar to mine in its self-deprecating way, however, I got the distinct feeling she is much more self-confident than me (not a hard thing to accomplish). But she called herself “granola woman” and something else about sunflower child or something like that to indicate the way she lives. Evidently her chickens aide in the composting process? Composting and chickens are something I don’t pretend to know a thing about! She also quoted Mark Twain about being a bad speller (she and I both consider ourselves bad spellers). I just LOVED that!
As we were over our hour limit already, she asked me a question I wish I could answer, “What are your hopes and dreams?” I think it is mainly a testament to my really rough last 6 months that I just don’t know anymore or if I ever knew. That is a question that I think is the key to my happiness and one of the reasons I have been so miserable is because I don’t know what I want anymore. I didn’t get into all of it with Kathy, but said that is a question I am trying to answer for myself right now too. I told her part of the answer is that I hope I am a good mother, but I know that is not my only desire, but it is the most important one right now.
All and all it was an awesome conversation. I got off the phone feeling sky-high with good feelings. We made an appointment to talk this Saturday at 10am. Less than 2 hours after I was off the phone I had an email from Kathy with a link to some photos she had collected of herself and 2 of Chuck. I then found a few pictures on my computer of me and the kids and sent those to her. I apologized and explained that I don’t hardly have any pictures of myself alone because I have not been happy with the way I’ve looked for the past several years. I shared with her that I hoped she wouldn’t be disappointed in how I looked.